Considering the seemingly dimlight (? (21)Studying the body positions of Kolevatov, Zolotaryov and Thibeaux-Brignolle, it seems as if they were lying snugly behind each other to keep warm. Thanks! Many thanks!! Such winds are sometimes also called fall winds; the spelling catabatic winds is also used. When wewere drying any wet clothes in the tent, we tried to do so during the evening hours while still awake. Leather andcordsare extremely stiffbecause of the cold andyou need to do this with your bare hands. (12)What happens next on the slope could perhaps be described as a rumbling noise of a wind rapidly escalating from above (northwest). Aftonbladet (Plus) Djatlovmysteriet har gckat vrlden i ver 60 r. Dyatlov Pass and the Anaris mountains in Sweden. Teasoning only with that we know is not science but a stupid application as only computers can do . In the photos taken by the rescue team, clear traces of snow affected by strong wind can be seen pointing towards the tent from around the peak of Kholat Syakhl. The problem is that the original sources are many times obscured. If one can talk of any advantage regarding a rolling gravity wind, is that it is powerful but rather stable without gusts. See Bedtime Stories and the episode Return to Dead Mountain, here. I would rather suggest that a bivouac housing the four people, collapsed and trapped them inside. I have a question about your 2019 expedition to the Dyatlov Pass. They had brought with them food for a days tour, but also rescue packs in the form of wind sacks, radio equipment and shovels. Katabatic winds however are very localized and not visible on the weather maps. (9)We know for a fact, from the series of last photos taken by the Dyatlov group, that their weather conditions worsened. The shelter that was only 0,8 meters in depth (c. 2.5 feet), had its top cover repeatedly blown off. They were likewise eager to experience parts of the Auspiya route and camping at the specific places of the Dyatlov group, such as the slope of Kholat Syakhl. The rescuers arriving to the scene, described the place as the worst they had ever encountered. For a brief expositiononthe course of events -click on the image. This must have been a real tough attempt considering stun hands and feet. This with one big exception though - the Dyatlov pass was far from any helping hands. Periodically the strong flow of water undermines the loose sand bed under their roots. Of course the local and indigenous people - the, 1) The characteristic tilting trees along the Lozva river drew attention already in early depictions from the 19th century. The Santa Ana winds are notorious for fanning regional wildfires, including a series of blazes in October 2007 that scorched more than 500,000 acres and killed 10 That might have been possible and perhaps could have saved some of them. Photo: Richard Holmgren. Water in bottles freezes quite fast, despite continuous movement and a cup of tea didnt always satisfy our needs in the same way. /R. (27) The katabatic wind derives from the Greek wordkatabasis (), which means descending. The sleeping bags could withstand minus 40 degrees Celsius and this in combination with our emergency bags and shelter in the forest, was at least something. Thus, this maybe yet another shortcoming when separating wounds as ante- or postmortem in the original examination. If the diary indeed belonged to Zolotaryov and a pen was present, itis in stark contrast to his massive chest wounds that many believe made him inoperable. Always to end back at square one. I guess it was because they has no time, their fingers were numb because they already had gotten cold, and very likely their clothes were frozen, so no way to put them on quickly. Itis therefore reasonable to assume that more than one body was affected. Since the tent was fixedwith ropesattaced toski poles and a pair of standing skis,rather than being anchored into the ground orheavy stones, we can assume that the wind at the time of pitching wasnt too strong. However, difficult skiing through the day, pitching of the tent, cooking, sawing and chopping wood, made each evening into a sleeping pill itself. Thus, an important part of my theory is that the collapsed bivouac was never identified as a shelter months later - this due to its collapsed nature over the brook. New Dyatlov Pass Theory: Katabatic winds : r/AstonishingLegends Thisis indeed a well researched andeye-catchingpresentation, although Ibelieve that the adoption of a "snow slab", whether it occurred or not,is not central to the course of events - that is, fleeing downto the forest and not being able to return. Secondly,the reason we went to the region during a week in early 2019 -the transition between January and February,was a kind of homage to the events of 1959 and the 60-yearanniversary of the groups passing. This could either mean that it was in fact already turned off before found - or simply revived when the switch was tampered with. would argue that the Dyatlov groupacted in the best possible way under the prevailing circumstances - nothing irrational at all and totally in line with their experience and professionality. Lyuda for example, like Doroshenko, had wounds in her armpit which could indicate a fall from a tree or similar, which at the same time might have fracturedher ribs - later to causecompression of her thorax. One of theseUPI-students, Yuri Koptelov, reported footprints as if people were positioned shoulder to shoulder. Secondly,the reason we went to the region during a week in early 2019 -the transition between January and February,was a kind of homage to the events of 1959 and the 60-yearanniversary of the groups passing. For a brief expositiononthe course of events -. Katabatic wind - Wikipedia This is furthermore not the kind of respect the Dyatlovgroup deserve-or their surviving relatives for that matter. They had brought with them food for a days tour, but also rescue packs in the form of wind sacks, radio equipment and shovels. Illustration: courtesy of Bedtime Stories 2019. he team behind the celebrated YouTube series Bedtime Stories, have a real passion for the unexplained. However - me too, it is like you say the life has been consumed for a long time, figuring things out. 18). In California, strong katabatic wind events have been responsible for the explosive growth of many wildfires, including the 2018 Camp Fire and the 2020 North Complex. To the right our own tent with its stove in action, here seen halfway into the Auspiya valley, somewhere afore the groups Jan 30 camp in 1959. The last joining persons that requestedshelter together with the other six, repeatedly tried to fix the constantly failing uppermost part of the bivouac, this from the outside - but they had to give up. Obviously it was left to close to their stove. Even though the Dyatlov accident could be considered somewhatrecent for an archaeological undertaking - notthe least in the absence offield artefacts- thehistorical event could perhaps beunderstood through indirectartefacts and other circumstantial evidence such as being part of legend making. Svensken: Drfr dog de nio p berget (8 februari 2019) However after walking from the tent, they likely started this procedure immediately. Thus, I believe that a rational approach is the best way to pay respect to the members of the group all of them personalities that likely wanted nothing else than letting us know how they might havespent their last hours in life. Dagens Nyheter - Svensk expedition i Djatlovs fotspr exakt 60 r efter desnatten (10 oktober 2019). What is important to know is also that katabatic winds (gravity winds) are much stronger along the slope but not necessarily that strong in the forest. It is necessary but with all the contradictions, such a paper would rather be an investigation of the investigation. I don't understand how the 9 could have done so much during the really cold, really fast winds such as build a fire, dig snow holes (deep, big ones at that!). Cheers! This is not forwarded as any criticism to the professional hikers, but something that might have helped them temporarily under any possible turbulent event involving strong winds. Yes, skiing in the footstep felt necessary. A change in the weather condition could make thinks more difficult on many levels - with domino effects. In February of 1978, dammed cooled air was here put in motion very quickly with devastating consequences for a group of nine skiers. 6) A view from the Dyatlov pass looking down over the frozen western part of the Auspiya valley. ARCDOC, Archaeological Documentation. Photo: Richard Holmgren, he new theory to the causes of the accident at the Dyatlovpass in 1959, put forward below, assumes that the reader is already acquainted with the story at large,the events in the pass, its various theories, group compositionand other details. Richard Holmgren explains the katabatic wind on Vox. Assuch it doesnt necessarily differ that much from the relationship between the factualremains of the bishopric of Sodoma and the storyit was based on the legend of Sodom and Gomorrahthat is. I felt this was lacking and at the time of writing the theory I felt this was a new approach. Hi again David no, dont be sorry I completely understand your point here. Caspita, che impresa! Since cooled air has a higher density than the surrounding atmosphere, the katabatic wind can The reason for many being rather well dressed, compared to common misconceptions that they didnt, is that they camped/slept well dressed. Their shoes were nicely stacked against the westernside of the tent withtheir sleeping positionsclose to each other to keep warm. The winds on Kholat Syakhl are still strong, but seemingly under control. We only had to endure minus 43 degrees Celcius during the night in the pass this on the site where the Dyatlov group pitched their tent their last night. The pathologist never wrote ofblood in her stomach, butsimply mentioned the presence ofa red substance. 1959 and on the day 60 years later. The ancient city of Petra in Jordan. A hard time yes, with severe frostbites yes, but the only chance of survival. My hypothesistries to explain most of the strange phenomena that surround the mystery of the Dyatlov pass - such as why the tent was cut from the inside, why they left the tent and couldnt get back, and why they fled ill-dressed - many without shoes. Probably and as their footsteps vaguely demonstrate, they went as tight as possible in order to keep together sometimes venturing apart, likely due to extremely strong winds batteringtheir shoulders. Possibly it was thecourageousDoroshenko himself, as the tallest member in the group,that climbed the tree. Yes, you are very right in the lack of structure, references and sources - and a general confusion of the whole picture. Through the Auspiya valley, southeast of the pass, we were in total four persons me, Andreas Liljegren and our experienced Russian colleagues, Ekaterina Zimina and Artem Domogirov from Yekaterinburg. Then - what kind of sudden "blizzard" killed the Anaris group? The cooling effect was then around minus 50 degrees Celsius (-58 degrees Fahrenheit). Assuch it doesnt necessarily differ that much from the relationship between the factualremains of the bishopric of Sodoma and the storyit was based on the legend of Sodom and Gomorrahthat is. Many thanks for your input and the most relevant inquiry. (20)The next series of important events are harder to fully comprehend, but likely the experienced group purposely split apart temporarily for survival procedures in the forest. En produktion av Pannrummet och Sveriges Television (premir p SVT-Play den 28januari samt i SVT2 den 4 februari kl. In all there were now nine persons with four wind sacks andsleeping bags, fighting for survival. The probes were provided with a hook. Puttingon our ski-boots inthe pass, during-40 C,took aboutthree to four minutes inacontrolled situation. stersundsposten De frdas till Sibirien 60 r efter mystiska ddsfallen testar utrustningen i Tnndalen: Ingen har tidigare kt strckan p skidor (23 januari 2019) A thoroughly enjoyable read. Katabatic winds don't lend themselves easily to video, but clips like this show what you're talking about: https://youtu.be/2H8Y5ptn9Cs. This year Andrei Kuryakov, for example, explained the problem why the criminal case dates to February 6 which is, as you say, well before they started their search. Aware of the dangers of conceivable strongwinds, we pitched the tent with the gablefacing the gradient (photo no. 16) Pedestal footprints preserved on the lower part of the slope. Not the least did the climbing itselfshare some of the problems one may encounter in theDyatlov pass. Before the trip we actually asked ourselves how it would be possible to spend 14 hour inside thetent we can assure the reader that we never touched any of the game boards brought along. Good to hear that my theory feels convincing for you. The most logical and thorough explanation I read. This area in France corresponds almost exactly to the orography of the "Kholat", where lee waves are regularly seen and are the basis for the weather on 1/2 February 1959. This is furthermore not the kind of respect the Dyatlovgroup deserve-or their surviving relatives for that matter. The stove provided good warmth during the nights but mainly to a level of not making equipment and food to freeze. You welcomed us in Yekaterinburg and you made it possible for us to reach the Uralswithout any setbackwhatsoever. Even though there are fancy models and graphs, the underlying details are very subjective. I personally have always wondered why there were huge deliberate clumps of snow on top of the tent that wasn't in sync with the rest of the snowy landscape. AvAnna-Lena Laurn. In archaeology, I have dealtwith several excavations where the understanding of a certain mythwasinescapable. The pedestal prints istheresult of afoot creating a harder surfuce - this throughthecompressing power from the body weight, where icywind later preserved a raisedimprint. Photo: Richard Holmgren, n other words, the conditions described in the groups last entries had the prerequisites for the buildup of a. A storm would give you time to dress and secure or dismantle a tent properly. In the context of adamaged skull, it should also be mentioned that any generatedcrackmay enhancethrough repeated cycles of freezing and thawingbetween the time of recoveryand examination. In any case your points are important and should be weighed in. Thank you for your efforts towards the mysterious Dyatlov Pass. s someone said. In a brief period of time suchtemperatures can be deadly, let alone the windthat in itselfwould make it hard to stand upright. Aware of the dangers of conceivable strongwinds, we pitched the tent with the gablefacing the gradient (photo no. The persons wearing. [3] In Greenland these winds are called piteraq and are most intense whenever a low pressure area approaches the coast. After all winds on the slope of Kholat Syakhl are more or less ever present during this time of the year. The pathologist never wrote ofblood in her stomach, butsimply mentioned the presence ofa red substance. A first important indication is given by the analysis of the long records of radiosounding data available in Antarctica: katabatic winds and an unsaturated low-level 13) The last view of the Dyatlov group alive. ( YouTube linkhere). The character of the wind at Mawson there- Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. As long as they were in constant movement, the better. Previous assumptions have revolved around why the bodies were found outside the only located bivouac and that the bodies' injuries arose from a fall into the ravine. Only one of them survived - this after being found far away from a temporary and insufficient snow shelter made by the core group. 21) and much appreciationto the cityof Yekaterinburg for a welcoming stay - what a lovely town and people! 14.04. You are right and I will immediately correct this. Or as Vladimir Borzenkov once explained to me whilst working in the area strong winds were present on the slope, but a match could be lightened in the forest. is also used. California's Spreading Wildfires: What Are Katabatic Winds? Webwhat are the non legislative powers of congress. Their tent and equipment, if still in place, would be within grasp as long as they stayed alive elsewhere. Really nice of you to post them here. If pushed against a skull, the outcome would likely cause damage but without leaving visable traces of tissue on the probe. However, such solution requiredeven faster actionsif the wind somehowaccelerated and becamethreatening to the tent. The only problem in this case involvedthe practice of packing down the daily clothing into the sleeping bags during the nightsin order to have warm clothes in the morning. Webto day during the lull period of the Katabatic wind. By comparing the eventswith a case from my home country Sweden, I think that a new approach with interesting details of comparisoncould be very illuminating. Another example is "the Barber", an enhanced katabatic wind that blows over the town of Greymouth in New Zealand when there is a southeast flow over the South Island. 20) Many thanks to Vladimir and Vladislav for their great hospitality when repacking in the village of Vizhay. In fact - it was exactly this that killed the Anaris group, where the only survivor escaping the shelter, was the only survivor. It is interesting what you say here, because the question is if it was survivable? katabatic winds directly force retreat What is a Katabatic Wind? - The Natural Navigator As far as how long the katabatic flow continued, I am not sure. katabatic wind anaris et another three persons, also surprised by the sudden storm, tried to join the shelter. I see them succumbing to something very rapidly down in the woods off the pass. After all winds on the slope of Kholat Syakhl are more or less ever present during this time of the year. I tried myself to deliver a complete chain of event of the entire scenario - from the skiing up to the last persons to die in 1959. WebThe term katabatic (sometimes spelled catabatic) comes from the Greek katabasis, meaning descending and is the name used to refer to a drainage wind where high-density air flows downhill and into a plain, plateau or body of water. stgta Correspondenten Tillbaka efter natten i mystiska passet (4 februari 2019), SR P4 stergtland med Titti Elm De klarade expeditionen till Djatlovpasset (intervju med Andreas & Richard efter Dyatlovexpeditionen 2019)7 februari, kl. Believing in U.F.Os was a belief at the time . The actual pattern demonstrates heavily wind swept snow, where vortexes have hollowed out scoop-shaped cavities. In the case of the Dyatlov group the only survivable scenario would be to run out, conceal the tent and to wait out the ordeal elsewhere, later to regain the buried equipment. Eventually,apathy usually kicks in. Not the least did I understand that after skiing there. Katabatic Winds. In February of 1978, dammed cooled air was here put in motion very quickly with devastating consequences for a group of nine skiers. Katabatic Wind Good luck with the Podcast and humble thanks for sharing info to the site. What they didnt anticipate during the evening of February 1st, was that a moderate windwith stronger gusts could rather swiftly turn into 25 m/s or even much above that. rawling back under the snow covered tent, if possible at all due to the conditions involving a gravity wind, couldnt have helped them - which they wisely and obviously realized. Itcan be seen until January 28, 2022 (narrator's voice in Swedish only). And the eventin the Ural Mountainscan in my view perhaps be understood quite rationally. Even if the pathologist in the Dyatlov case only mentioneda red substance, we can presumethat it in fact was blood as a result of hypothermia. Soon the temperature dropped even further, but the situation really turned devastating due to the sudden acceleration of the wind - this with wind speeds up toat least 20 m/s. It is important to note though, that as time passed,irrational behavior should be expected. Im thinking it could have been the case for these guys as well in why they cut the tent. These are comparable to so called, Dyatlov pass and the forest. TC - Frazil ice growth and production during katabatic wind events Are Katabatic winds hours long? As for the snow dens, in my opinion the deepest one containing the four of the group, was dug out from inside the ravine towards the higher slope in the west. u stated that igor dyatlov was found hanging onto a brancn? He has made orographic and meteorological analyzes of both the Dyatlov pass event and the Swedish Anaris accident in 1978. Auspiya valley. Little did they know - and little are we still today prepared for any analogous and local occurrences. stgta Correspondenten Tillbaka efter natten i mystiska passet (4 februari 2019) Their tent and equipment, if still in place, would be within grasp as long as they stayed alive elsewhere. In fact, collapsing a tent to reduce the chances of wind damage, followed by a shielding of snow to hold the tent down, is expected in such situations. Check. Presentingthese authors, I must add that I never understood TV documentaries, podcasts and other articles putting emphasizein cryptozoology and flying saucers as alternative explanations to the group's death. Such scenario with subsequent outcomes, was presented by the Swedish-Russian Dyatlov Expedition of January/February 2019, as the causes to the incident in 1959 (see above). Rix FM med Martina Thun - "Mysteriet vid Djatlovpasset", 18 mars 2021. Your knowledge and effort has been of great benefit foran entireworld. One small thing. This site is very informative and I would and will recommend it to any of my colleagues wishing to also study this magnificent case. 1993; Wendler et al. Any possible ice sheet or other flying light objects, besides extremely low temperatures generated through the cooling effect, could theoretically create austere body trauma. 5) The Dyatlov groups tent with its specially constructed stove crafted by Igor Dyatlov himself. The young men at the fire must have struggled hard to get a fire going, which wasalso evident from their unsuccessful attempts. (3)When the Anaris-group started the trip, they encountered an outside temperature of around minus 15 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit) with a wind speed of around 6 m/s. This specific wind is alsoknown asafall wind,adownslope windor agravity wind. (5)Learning from the event in Anaris, the decision to seek shelter was made way to late and their hastily constructed bivouac was much too shallow. I've just created a podcast for an assignment at school based on your magnificent research and theorisation. 14.04. Thank you for sharing your experience with all of us. You're not only one hell of a expedition partner anda person to laugh with -you alsohave an incomparable eye for details,always ready to project the world a bit differently. What is important to realize regarding falling winds, is that theyappear quickly as opposed to a storm. There's something that bothers me, though, which, perhaps, you can explain. The latter place is the name of a rolling terrain that bear much resemblance to the passes south of Otorten in the Urals. INTRODUCTION. Again, from the photos available there issimply no traces of an avalanche in the surrounding snow pattern. Thanks for your comment Angeline! In the comments to the youttube bedtime stories outline of the theory, some viewers have asked why the groups members hadn't put on their clothing. The best they could hope for was thatthe Chinese flashlight would stay in place despitethe strongwind, this due to its relativelyheavy and small size. Wind speeds regularly exceeded 20 m There are several caseswhere changes in gastric mucosa have been seen in hypothermia-related deaths. Usually everything should be accounted for in any pathologyreport, but the description of her body shows that no difference to the type of wounds was made when analyzed. SVT Go'kvll -Gstr Richard Holmgren som medverkar i dokumentren "Mysteriet vid Djatlovapasset",programledare: Linda Olofsson, 28januari 2021. this is totally unaccuratre, he was found in a way where it looked like he was trhing to crawl back to the tent. Nu tror schweiziska forskare att de har kommit p en frklaring" (kommentar till nya teorin),29januari 2021. Thisregardless of a "snow slab" or not. (4)Yet another three persons, also surprised by the sudden storm, tried to join the shelter. What they didnt anticipate during the evening of February 1st, was that a moderate windwith stronger gusts could rather swiftly turn into 25 m/s or even much above that. However, the severe injuries found on the last four recovered bodies should in the case of akatabatic event, be tied to other circumstantial evidence - such as pressure from a collapsed snow shelter and natural decomposition due to three months of exposure in the prevailing environment. This could in fact explain why the tent was located with a protective snow cover and a flashlight atop - likely used as a beacon for relocating the position. Lnk 2 he second heaviest task regarded the low temperatures in general. )and last three maybe did not know 4 died in shelter since probably returning to tent for medical aupplies for Georgy/Yuri still alive & exspected of 4 in Den/ bloody knuckles as last 3 and Georgy tore branches from cedar (I think Zina fell for waist injury and hit Rustik & Igor)/and who fell at 15 ftl cliff between slope track & cedar(ice,snow blowing, no gloves,shoes,hats_/and one flashlight left (only 3 for 9 hikers ! The The Anaris groups warming equipment stayed in their backpacks which were not reachable due to their numbhands. This is huge when you consider that the Dyatlov Pass is one of the greatest mysteries of all time! We can for example learn from their journals that the construction needed overall and constant small repairs. This happenedto be a missunderstandingand not in line with ourtheory. Was perchance thetent with its concealed equipmentstill in position or blown away? Photo: Dyatlov foundation. Gnter Wolf, dear Gnter - a big thanks to you for rewarding conversations and your enormous knowledge on winds, terrain and otherdetective worksoff distant places. April 2019. Many things have changed - some things stays the same. . What was your contingency plan in the case of a katabatic wind? This further confused me since Maslennikov in the context of the birch sapling mentioned that it looked as if Igor tried to protect himself from the wind and Atmanaki saying that Igor was probably stuck there on the wind-swept snow. Alain, there is too much suppression of comments on the Internet today. In this instance it might explain peculiarities in decisions and behavior.